Medical knowledge?
answer these questions and I'll see what you know
1. your destroying a stair case to the upper floors of the apartment building, your not paying attention and land your 20 lbs sledge hammer on your foot.
2. your sharping your broad sword and slice from the tip of your index finger and all the way into the web of skin in between your thumb and index.
3. a zombie bites you on your lower wrist and you quickly amputate it thinking it'll save you, it stops the spread of the infection but how do you stop the blood from pouring out of your arm, closing up the amputation, and then keeping it clean?
lets see what you people know, and don't cheat.
P.S. your by yourself.
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Permalink Reply by Rj on -
On the bite there is always also that slim chance of you ending up as a carrier, body being able to resist the virus, or you find some sort of medicine that would combat it enough to dormant it./defeat it.
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Permalink Reply by Fr. Z on -
1. sledgehammer wound will make you susceptible to blood clots throughout your leg. I saw an episode of House that addressed a crushed leg and that was the big problemo, so i figure a crushed foot would be similar. That being said, there isn't much you can do by yourself to "uncrush" other than take an ibuprofen or even drink some alcohol to keep your blood thin, so id say elevate foot above your heart, apply ice, and wrap yourself in blankets to hopefully thwart shock.
2. elevate hand above your head while you prepare you aid. first pour some hydrogen peroxide on the hand to cleanse it from any grime your broadsword (where ever you even find one of those anymore) might have clinging to it. you probably wont have any way to apply local anesthesia, so cram a stick in your mouth to bite on to as your stitch yourself. I had a very similar foot injury from stepping on sheet metal, and they basically compressed compressed compressed and then numbed and stitched.
3. apply a tourniquet since pressure isn't going to stop that kind of bleeding. your best bet will probably be to cauterize the wound, so finding a stove or a fire and an iron would be ideal. I'm wondering if you couldn't also use the flat side of your sword, supposing you can get it hot enough. then as far as cleaning goes, any manner of alcohol should do the trick, and is certainly better than nothing. With that kind of burn though, you'll want to keep it as dry as possible when no cleaning, and wrap in dry bandages when finished
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Permalink Reply by James Brown on -
Hospitals would be overrun for months. pharmacys and clinics would be the best choice...anyway..
1 Rest, Ice, make sure you have feeling in your foot and elevate it. stay close to escape routes since your gimp foot would slow you down a bit, and hope you dont get an blood infection. fluids, and vitamins.
2. i would clean the wound, you can use ant heads as stitches but where are you just gonna convinently find ants??? wrap but not too tight. antibiotic ointment on the wound and once again hope for no infection.
3. say your goodbyes. the infection moves rapidly and its not a snake bite so elevating your arm or burning the wound wont do anything but clot the wound. sure how many minutes blood takes to flow through your body is nice, but your comparing a zombie bite to a snake bite. snake bites attack the heart, zombie bites infect the brain.
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Permalink Reply by James Cameron Clamp on -
ant heads? I know what your talking about but those ants are in the rain forest and can kill you if you do it wrong.
1. capture about 10-15 ants. (can't remember the name)
2. 1 at a time let them bite your wound on both sides.
3. after that said ant has bitten thought cut everything past the base of the neck off.
4. after about a week and the wound has somewhat healed up slowly remove the ants. pulling their jaws out of your skin.
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Permalink Reply by James Brown on
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if the virus works like rabies.....it would actually infect the nerve endings, which the infected nerve endings would travel to your brain...not the blood which travels to the heart..
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Permalink Reply by James Cameron Clamp on
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and if I am not mistaken that takes even longer to travel to the brain.
look people the zombie bites you on your right hand on the meaty right side. just below the pinky's knuckle. And you cut your hand off past the small bones in the hand (about 5 inches above your wrist) right then and there, weather or not the virus travels thought the blood or nerve ending it doesn't have enough time to get past the part you cut off.
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Permalink Reply by JB on -
The problem in this, though, is that you may attempt to take the limb within a few seconds of being bit, but the idea of cutting off your limb is a lot easier than actually doing it. I'm sure you're not going to have a bone saw on you, and the pain alone is going to be more than any person can bear. the human brain won't allow the "normal person" to inflict that much pain on themselves.
In theory, with a buddy...yes. One swift strike from an axe or machete should do the job, but it would have to happen within seconds. The idea that it takes blood 2 minutes to travel through your body, means that if you injected a tracker into your bloodstream, it travels to everypart of your body in two minutes...from your hand to your wrist, soaking in through the muscles and capilaries...ten seconds max.
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Permalink Reply by James Cameron Clamp on
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true that. But if a person is prepared and mentally trained enough they could over come cutting off a limb to save their life.
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Permalink Reply by Garrote Hamlin on -
1. wearing steel toes boots...
2. stiching it up with some fisning twine and a fishinghook
3. tournaquite untill i can cauterize it
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Permalink Reply by J,M. on -
I beleive in all these injuries if they are self inflected on any one person... lets just let Darwin's law work itself out... because the first two seem extremely silly injuries and the one suffering said injury ought to just be ejected from the gene pool... no offense.
We can assume that we do not have access to a hospital, doctors, nurses, and EMT/Paramedics
But... Crushing your foot... depends on which bones are broken and the severity of the injury, The best course would be to splint/immobilize the foot as best as you can, apply a mixture of heat and cold (to promote healing and decrease swelling), any broken skin should be kept as clean as possible, Irrigating with CLEAN water (preferably by means of boiling, chlorine, or condensation) and applying TAO frequently, then covering with a clean (sterile if you can find em) dressing (Gauze, boiled rags, etc)
Finger... From the description it sounds like a nasty cut, (I'm imagining the cut part of the finger is still attached to the body) secure the injured part to the rest of the finger, first cleaning with clean/sterile (again boiled, chlorine, or condensation) , secure with steri-strips (can be looted from any drug store, or anywhere else that sells first aid supplies) or a tefla gauze and tape (again, could probably find at the same place as the steri-strips, look for 'non adherent gauze'), keep clean by irrigation and application of TAO... high risk for infection, so keep it as clean as possible, loot yourself some vinal, latex, or nitrile gloves... you should carry these anyway... ya know, zombie gore and whatnot)
The last one, firstly, bitten by a zombie, your not likely to survive regardless of amputation, and it would require alot of heat to carturize the wound to stop the arterial bleed... I would suggest either finding or making peace with whatever God or gods you may beleive in (or at very least with your own mortality)
Be sure to know what your drug allergies are... find some antiboitics ( names ending in -cillin, -mycin, -azole, -cycline, -floxin... beginning in sulfa- will be your antibiotics (typically)) of course if your allergic to penicillin then stay from the -cillins', Tetracyclines the -cycline's, Sulfa... -sulfa... you get the picture.
Also, for wound healing, multivitamins/ vitamin supplements with high zinc levels rock as far as long term wound healing goes. And if possible, extra protein can help with healing... not over night, of course, but it'll help
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Permalink Reply by James McDonald on -
Arterial bleeds are not always that hard to stop. I definitely agree that if your bit cutting of your arm probably won't help. If someone wants to try it though the bleeding can definitely be controlled. Ive seen lots of amputations of limbs in the field. A lot of times the bleeding won't be that bad at all. Arteries are stretched lightly in the arm , so often the pressure from surrounding tissue when they withdraw into the arm will stop, or at least greatly slow bleeding.
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Permalink Reply by James McDonald on
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Ive been a paramedic for 3 yrs, and I can tell you the medical problems your propose are harsh to throw at someone. So good job.
1. Check the foot for any decrepitis(broken shifting bones). If there are none wrap the foot immediately to prevent any major swelling. Ice, and elevation will help it from getting worse. If you have some drugs with you Ibuprophen, or another type of anti-inflammatory would be great. NSAID's(None Steriodal Anti-inflammatory) are good, but a glucocorticoid would be better. A antibiotic like pennicilin would be good too. If the bones are broken its going to need to be set as best as possible. Start by putting some traction on the toes to align the bones as best possible. Use a compressive wrap to keep them in position. If your close to an abandoned hardware store look for some plaster, or tubes of caulking. Thoroughly cover some ace bandages with mixed plaster, or caulking. Make sure you still have distal pulses distal to the compression wrap to ensure adaquate blood flow to the foot. Apply the ace wrap and allow to dry like a cast. Allow 6-8 weeks of light duty to allow for adaquate healing of bones.
2. It sounds like this is a pretty bad cut. If its just slice you can probably get away with wrapping the finger, and webbing. Cleaning it often with saline to irrigate, and an antibiotic would be ok. If its a nasty slice....Well your going to need stitches to close the wound. Hopefully you have a sutchering kit you've found in a demo'd hospital, if not a fishing hook would work with some sterilized thread. Any type of ligour will work to sterlize, but look for something with higher proof if your going to have to use drinking alcohol. Im not going to try to explain stitches. Its sort of a pain in the ass, get some pig skin from the butchers and practice. There are tons of videos online.
3. Fortunately your body will help you when it comes to the amputated limb. Your veins, and arteries are stretched lightely through your extremities. So they will retract into your arm when cut, and block off some of the blood flow. You absolutely need to make a touriquet though. Its going to also help with the spread of the virus. A tshirt with a stick tucked into the ends and wrapped tight will suffice, you can then tuck one of the ends under your arm pit to hold it in place while you work. I suggest using the fastest way possible to amputate your arm. If you have a saw of some sort use it. It would be even better if is powered. The longer you work on it your going end up going into shock at some point. Maybe not hypovalemic shock, but just system shock from the pain. Your going to want to start an iv on yourself too. If you haven't come across a hospital and lifted iv caths, tubing, line, and bags. You can use a water bottle and acouple of marinating needles. If your desperate and really hardcore a ball needle will work in a pinch too, but your going to have to file a point on it. Mix some salt into the bottled water. Your going to want heat the water up so that the salt will dissolve into the water. Your going to want to use a vein in your foot, because your going to need to be able to use your other arm, and putting it higher in the amputated arm is just going to make bleeding faster. When cauterizing the veins, arteries, and tissue you can use acouple of techiniques. Obviously a clean piece of steel in a nice fire will work really well. If you want to be all hardcore and Ramboesque gun powder will definitely do the trick, but your going to need to treat the burns afterwards. I would try to find some quick clot when your scavaging in hospitals, or ambulances. I know a lot of the units here carry military grade quick clot, and Ive seen what it will do on arterial bleeds. Good stuff, be advised though that its going to burn exactly like hot steel. Best of luck with one arm.
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