Prisons.....

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Permalink Reply by Rylan on June 1, 2009 at 12:18pm

Wow, so by that logic since we’ve never encountered a zombie nor lived thru an undead apocalypses we wouldn’t be able to discuss anything on this site. Prison demographics and rates of crime behind bars are openly available. My dad works at a state prison and from what he tells me it’s a thoroughly unpleasant place precisely because of the inmate population, which can only be described as the lowest dregs of society. That’s the reason prison officials are paid so well, because they have to handle societies toxic waste. People so vile as to have to be forcefully excluded from normal society for the protection of the community. Frankly I’d rather deal with the stupid zombies then thinking maniacs, rapists and murders. Now if these are the people you want to recruit/ co-habitat with then your nuts. Besides keeping them behind bars serves you most, since if released they’d make a beeline for their old stomping grounds… the Wal-Mart.

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Permalink Reply by Courtney, zombie hunter on June 1, 2009 at 1:27pm

Do you just spend all day trying to come up with rebuttals and arguments on the discussions I post? Seems like you're following me around with a notebook and a frown. Your sweeping generalizations about most of society are baseless and serve only to exhibit your estreme intolerance...not a very "liberal" trait or something I'd expect to see from someone "enlightened" enough to boycott Wal-Mart for ethical reasons. Tsk tsk.

No, you can't talk about the lives of criminals unless you are one or you've lived that life. Some people are put in prison for various reasons, not all of them violent crimes. Don't forget- the same people who make up those "maniacs, rapists and murders" are judged by people who have no college education, don't understand the legal system, and do everything possible (under most circumstances) to avoid jury duty, period. PLUS there are state prisons and federal prisons. There are huge differences between the inmates of each facility. People stuck in federal pen are pretty soft as far as lifestyle is concerned.

I just think it shows a lot of know-it-allness on the part of a lot of people in this discussion to generalize about people they've never met based on Hollywood movies and rap songs.

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Permalink Reply by Rylan on June 1, 2009 at 2:23pm

Wow, you’ve got a lot of nerve lady and I’m using the term very loosely here. Considering that it’s you who responded to my post, both here and on the thread about the mall/ Wal-Marts. I’d say that its you who are following me not vice-versa. And to clear things-up for you, I’m not nor did I ever claim to be liberal. You just assume that because I have ethical standards and there for I must be one. Well news flash for you, liberals don’t have a monopoly on moral or ethical standards. Now before you go off bashing our legal system, I’d like to know what other system, in existence, is fairer then a trail by 12 jurors? Also not having a college education doesn’t mean your don’t have the moral compus or the sense to know right from wrong. I’d say in this case you’re the snob here. Lastly, I’m not into rap nor am I interested in whiny bitches that think the world revolves around them. In the future please refrain from commenting on my responses, so I don’t have to reply and give you the false impression that I'm into you.

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Permalink Reply by rxpirate on June 1, 2009 at 3:48pm

I have to agree with her, you are speaking on something you have no idea about, though none of us have the true experience to speak of of zombies but you are talking about people in a life you know nothing about just because what your father says about them. What prison does he work at? Another thing is felonies are not all serious crimes as you say, that goes back to my point I said earlier about the majority of people in the system are non violent and for someone talking about prison demographics maybe you should read them first and you would know that. Just because you hear stories you shouldn't assume that is the general rule of things. I'll say it again there are more violent people on the streets than are even in our prison system.

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Permalink Reply by Rylan on June 1, 2009 at 4:58pm

You’re a total idiot rxpirate and I’m only responding so that others don’t follow your line of thinking that most cons in prison are there for non-violent reasons. The following link (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/corrtyp.htm) should take you to the U.S. Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics, which very clearly on the page shows that the leading category of inmates falls under the title of violent offenders. Which it goes on to explain include those incarcerated for murder, rape, sexual assault, robbery, assault, extortion, intimidation, criminal endangerment and other violent offenses. In an age of instant fact checking you should do some of your own before making such patently absurd statements. I can only conclude that your nonsensical defense for ex-cons must come from some sort of emotional connection to them, perhaps friends and family maybe?

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Permalink Reply by rxpirate on June 1, 2009 at 8:00pm

Yes the most inmates are in for violent offenses, but I excluded supermax's in my statement where most the violent offenders are. And you should also note that many people who are incarcerated for violent crimes did go to prison on violent crimes but got them while they were there. And I have such a defense for ex-cons because I am one. Thats why I am saying that you are speaking with out knowing what you are talking about. Like courtney said earlier if you haven't been through it you can't speak about it. Sure there are plenty of awful people in our prisons who deserve to rot, but to sit here and keep saying that everyone is prison is a absurd and totally close minded and shows evidence as to why people who are not bad by nature get drug down by the system that we have, its stereotyping people by any other standard you would consider that wrong but for ex-cons its alright? No, its not. I am a two time convicted felon, I'm not a violent person, I never had any act of violence committed towards me while I was inside and on the rare occasion did much violence take place.

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Permalink Reply by Courtney, zombie hunter on June 2, 2009 at 7:33am

Basically this boils down to a bunch of people making generalizations from their computers and not really living the life or perhaps even living anywhere NEAR anyone who lives the life.

Also, a good thing to remember is that we need to remind ourslves who puts people IN prison- there are a lot of cops out there with a bias as far as race, ethnicity, and gender, and they can sometimes get a little "arrest happy"...imagine a cop on the streets in East L.A. who's just fucking TIRED of Mexican gangbangers....well, he's going to arrest as many Mexicans as he can for as many offenses as he can. Its his personal bias.

Regardless, I'll comment on whoever I want, whenever I want, R. If you don't like it guy, I'd like to see you stop me. And not with wimpy personal attacks on my character instead of my argument, either. That's probably the weakest way of trying to get one up on someone that I can imagine. Another stellar example of your epic failure to carry this debate through. But good try :)

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Permalink Reply by Rylan on June 2, 2009 at 9:34am

You know what, I’m just going to give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume that things are really different where you live, but since you mentioned East L.A. I’ll tell you that I live in Los Angeles County and have for most of my life. And this is what I can tell you of the local law enforcement officers around here. They’re not all white, a lot of them are black or Latino and from the ones I’ve met many of them are just regular folks trying to do a difficult and many times thankless job, which for the sake of society someone has to do. Secondly regardless of what far off state you’re living in, certain things are going to be universal. Such as due process, habeas corpus, the 8th Amendment, grand juries, trial by jury and appeals just to name a few, which are precisely there to prevent misconduct by our legal system. All high school students graduating from California are required to take a government course that covers all the above civil liberties as a further safety mechanism to ensure people’s constitutional rights aren’t being violated. Does abuse happen, yes the system isn’t perfect, but a good student of history/ world affairs would be hard pressed to come-up with another that’s better. I’m just privileged to live in a country that allows fools like you to spout off about every crazy thought that happens to cross your mind, because it give people of conviction and some common sense a chance to discredit those ideas.

Permalink Reply by Nick S. on June 1, 2009 at 2:54pm

yeah a prison would be good, that's if the prisoners haven't claimed it for themselves first. but it could be a death trap if it wasnt evacuated, a good 1600 zombies contained in one place, now thats scary! personaly, i would stick to the water, a large ship could be home to thousands of survivors, or just to yourself, which ever way you roll.

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Permalink Reply by PRIME_Ω_PREDATOR on June 1, 2009 at 3:16pm

OK 2 more cents from me. I worked in a State Correctional Facility for 2 years before becoming a cop nearly 20 years ago. My little brother currently works in another state facility and my uncle works in a federal facility. I've been through riots and they are not fun. You can almost be guaranteed that if something on the level of a Zombie Plague or an Apocalypse were to occur there would be a huge riot in just about every facility; local, county, state and federal. Throw GITMO in there too. There are not enough prison guards.corrections officers or police in the entire country to stop it. The National Guard, yeah they could help but according to the time line and most circumstances they are going to be tending to folks in camps and other refugees. The Military, don't count on it because they aren't here. They are in the Middle East and stationed most everywhere around the world. Yeah there are some divisions and brigades at home but as fast as this "Plague" has spread I doubt that anyone can respond and do much good at all. So when the shit hits the fan it's gonna be a real cesspool. People dying, cities burning, societal collapse. You'll be lucky if you even know if the guy/gal you're cooped up in a shack or stairwell with is a serial killer or a refrigerator salesman. The prisons are going to be hell holes. Chaos reigns during riots. It's why authorities are able to get things under control after the main blow ups. Prisoners get cold and hungry. Well in our situation authorities aren't going to have the man power to get control. People, good and bad, will die inside those walls and fences. When those people begin to die they turn. When they turn they eat and turn others. You don't have to worry about going to a prison and finding a bunch of felons and killers. You'll go to the prisons and you'll find killers period.

Yeah maybe if you go in with a group and are real good and able to corral the zeds and take them out you'll be able to get control of what prisoners are left and fortify the place. Maybe you get some prisoners who aren't out for themselves like they were when they got tossed in the can. Maybe they help you or maybe they cut your throat in your sleep. Maybe you can toss them out into the streets. Maybe you can't. If you manage to do all of this you've got to go outside sooner or later. I guarantee the inmates have eaten just about anything that is consumable and a few things that aren't. They aren't thinking to conserve food and water. Not if they are the types who are used to just taking the things they want and need. Too many maybes and too many ifs.

So as far as prisons go, I think I'd avoid them. Let the insane run the asylum. The prison was meant to keep people in. Let them stay inside. No need for me to join them. As far as the non-violent offenders go, sorry, you screwed up.

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Permalink Reply by Rylan on June 1, 2009 at 3:39pm

You made some really good points. At that rate those living directly adjacent to the prison are going to be screwed when the inmates who’ve rioted and taken over the facility run out of provisions and go looking for more.

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Permalink Reply by PRIME_Ω_PREDATOR on June 1, 2009 at 3:43pm

If those living next to the prison are still living. It could be the inmates who survived the chaos inside end up dying trying to survive outside.

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