Pros and Cons of weapons.
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Permalink Reply by TravisMath on -
Well not everyone thinks its a joke...somebody has already done it...
LINK:
http://www.gizmag.com/the-ultimate-in-zombie-defense-the-ar-15-semi...
haha
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Permalink Reply by WarMarshall on -
it's a well documented fact that the pick ends of warhammers would often get stuck. bones tend to "mousetrap" after they've been struck. bones tend to bend and give. it's part of their strength, just like a well made sword, they are designed to bend and return back to their shape. wedge something in, and it has a chance to get stuck. with a pick, they are often curved, which furth hinders the ability to pull them out. but a straing pick doesn't penetrate as well. the pro's of a pick are apparent though. you can inflict a massive injury against a target that might have armor or protection. picks penetrated shields and were aimed towards the area of the shield that the arm was attached to. pierce armor, and inflict serious injury to a horse. (horses are incredibly strong, you can take an axe to one and still get kicked to death before it runs off. penetrate the rib cage deep enough and avoid the ribs all together and you can deliver a killing blow)
personally, i love my warhammer (it's posted in the pictures on my page) but a pick axe is simply too heavy to lug around. especially since there isn't any easy way to carry one for long periods of time (a belt holster doesn't work as well as you think, it's over balanced)
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Permalink Reply by SoToxic on -
I'm not talking aobut the old medevil military pickaxes, Just a normal mining pickaxe that you could get anywhere.
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Permalink Reply by WarMarshall on
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that applies even more, and yes, i knew what you were talking about.
the pick on a warhammer was perfected over the decades of use by people much more talented and knowledgeable than me to try and eliminate the flaw of it getting stuck. they were unable to succeed
now, imagine using a pickaxe, wich only crudely resembles the warhammers pick, and completely eliminate all the skill that MIGHT have gone into it if designed by a weaponssmith. (it's a tool, not ment to be a weapon) the idea that the pickaxe could do what the warhammer's pick could not (avoid getting stuck) is ridiculous
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Permalink Reply by SoToxic on
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Yes but the warhammer was heavy as hell, Who wants that on their back when on the run from the flesh eating hordes, I'm not suggesting its a good weapon but when it comes to useing medevil bludgens you might as well leave the history musium and look somewhere else for your weapons...
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Permalink Reply by WarMarshall on
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heavy? my warhammer wieghs 24oz thats less than most swords wiegh. and mines about the equivilant to what they wieghed at the time i believe.
thats a pretty generic style, it wieghs 2 lbs 4 oz most italian warhammers would wiegh half that.
and i completely disagree with you. if i want to know the best way to kill humans, the history museum is the exact place i'm going to look. sorry bro, but 4000+ years of history and experience killing humans definately outwieghs your opinion on what someone should use as a weapon.
you need to crack a skull? i guarantee that a museum has plenty of artifacts that have each had 100's of years of history dedicated to their perfection.
i'm not going to try and start an arguement here, but lets put it this way...
based on your "knowledge" if you and i were ever being chased by a group of zombies... and i had to decide exactly how vital you were to contributing to my survival....
i'd trip you
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Permalink Reply by Andrew Kim on -
he's right
most warhammers were designed as single handed skullbashers
they've been designed ground up to put big gaping holes in peoples craniums
he wins
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Permalink Reply by Deth Toll on -
personally Ive been thinking (i know bad idea) smaller, lighter weopons would be superior if you were moving.
heavy more powerful ones would be superior if entrenched. For me a framing hammer for up close, a couple of 9 mm glocks with laser sight, and a mossberg shotgun. Been thinking about the use of tracer rounds............
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Permalink Reply by WarMarshall on
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tracers are a bad idea in my opinion. it's not like you have the ability to adjust your aim once the firearm is fired based on the bullets flight trajectory. the recoil of a firearm is much different than the recoil of a weapon designed to be fully automatic. (which is the only case where a tracer is useful, and usually they're only interspersed every 3-5 rounds, depending on the how many the firearm can kick out in a minute.)
personally i would try to avoid being so dependant on sidearms. anyone with solid experience (i'm talking someone who uses them for their jobs, not some 15 year old who's gone shooting at the range once or twice in his life, like alot of people here seem to validate as "experience") will understand that a sidearm's effective range is usually maxed out at about 100-150 feet (30-50 yards) thats not a very large distance.
also, you didn't say you planed to dual wield the 9mm glocks, but i felt it was implied. ever tried it? it's very inaccurate, and impossible to reload effectively. when i qualified for the use of my sidearm, i had a reload tim of 2.7 seconds. it's not the best, but not too shabby. i know 100% that i could fire 2 magazines with greater accuracy with one pistol faster than i could trying to dual wield at the same target.
bleh. stupid videogames and their fantasy portayal of weapons.... "i've got a shotgun! one blast and i'll kill 4 people!" ugh.....
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Permalink Reply by PRIME_Ω_PREDATOR on -
A shotgun is always a good idea. It takes out Zeds and can get you food. Shotguns are mainly low capacity so be proficient at reloading. The 9mm Glocks or any 9mm are also good ideas. They are great for indoors and enclosed area. Ammo is light and cheap and you can carry a lot of it. Laser batteries go dead. Don't rely on electronics. Any melee weapon that you feel comfortable with is going to be best for you. Farmers in the middle ages protected themselves with their hoes and scythes. They were at hand and the farmer was comfortable with them.
What folks tend to forget is that this isn't about taking back. What you carry on you is about your personal survival and the survival of those in your charge. If there is just you then you think direct threat. If you have a group you've got to think about perimeter and zones and such. Your weapon needs change with your situation. I don't think anyone can go wrong with their reasonable choice of melee weapon, handgun and backup and a semi automatic rifle or shotgun. Remember you've got to carry your weapons, ammo, food and supplies.
I've said in many thread, you prepare for a general situation like a natural disaster or terrorist attack. You have general supplies, food, water, communication, weapons and transportation. Once you've got all of this set up then you adjust for the actual situation. Decide if you're going to ride it out in place or move to a predetermined area designated within your group or family.
If you are going to protect yourself with weapons become proficient with them. Learn about them and how they work. Become comfortable with them. Not everyone has the mental ability to pick up a gun and shoot another human being. You've got to prepare yourself for such an instance.
In WWII basic training recruits started shooting at bullseye targets to familiarize and qualify with their rifles. Accuracy in the beginning of the war was not that good. They found that soldiers in the field who were crack shots on a bullseye or when hunting had a moral dilemma shooting humans. They were missing. After some study they changed the bullseye target to a human silhouette. Accuracy improved exponentially. There is a mental aspect to everything you do.
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Permalink Reply by kharn on
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and dont forget that people have found muskets that where loaded with many shots because the couldn't shoot at a human being
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Permalink Reply by Fetters on -
bolt or semi auto action rifle, in .30-06, , it has good range, its used for hunting, and would easily kill zeds.
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