Shotguns, zombie killing machines or extra weight?

One weapon that almost everyone has an opinion on is shotguns.  Max Brooks wrote in The Zombie Survival Guide that they are not as great as everyone thinks they are.  While many people consider them a primary weapon.
People will tell you they don't have enough range, or their shells are too bulky.  People also say that they take too long to reload.  If you support this weapon some arguments would be that it has the ability to stop zombies in their tracks.  Also if a zombie is too far away to be hit with a shotgun, why fight it instead of running away.  Shotguns are easier to aim than rifles, and when zombies approach and you are too nervous to think you need a shotgun to stand a chance of defeating a zombie.  Runners go to fast for someone to get a head shot with a rifle, but with a shotgun the spread of the shot allows a more sure kill.
I personally consider a shotgun a primary weapon, but let me hear your ideas.  

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Permalink Reply by Valentin Vasquez on May 8, 2011 at 2:06pm

i read somewhere that when the US army was looking for a new service pistol, Browning took up the role of designer and ended up creating the 1911 even though he advised the military to consider the Browining Hi-Power which in his opinion was a better pistol. i cant for the love of me find the source but i'll keep looking. i have to admit that the 1911 has nice power but it just doesnt have the mag capacity to truly be a 1st choice sidearm. one should consider a "Wonder 9" handgun. 9x19mm, double stack magazine, and double action trigger. one of these seems a lot more desireable to me than a 1911. the Hi-Power might not have the DA trigger but it still has more bullets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Nine

Permalink Reply by PRIME_Ω_PREDATOR on May 8, 2011 at 3:03pm

The 1911 was developed by Browning after the US Army had problems stopping Moro Guerilla Tribesmen in Philippine-American War. The US Officers and some NCOs were issued the Colt 38. The Moros would use a local narcotic to fire themselves up. The narcotic was also effective in pain relief. Soldiers would unload all 6 shots in to one drugged up Moro and barely drop him. Many of the soldiers went back to carrying the Single Action Army in 45 colt.

The Army announced a contract for a service pistol of not less then 45 ACP caliber. They received 6 submissions. One of the 3 dropped out. That was DWM later to develop the German Luger. Savage was the other competition. The Colt 1911 won out after the Savage and Colt had 6000 rounds each shot through them. When they heated up they were dropped in a bucket of water. The 1911 had 0 malfunctions. The Savage had 37.

The Hi-Power wasn't released until 1935. Browning died in 1926 while in his shop working on the design. The design was finished by an FN engineer in 1935.

Permalink Reply by Valentin Vasquez on May 8, 2011 at 3:59pm

ah. well i'll look up that article and we'll compare notes but until then it seems you have bested me Mr. Prime.

Permalink Reply by PRIME_Ω_PREDATOR on May 8, 2011 at 4:10pm
It isn't about besting.
Permalink Reply by Valentin Vasquez on May 8, 2011 at 4:25pm
i just found the article, its in March 2011 issue of American Handgunner. it's called "My First 1911'. the intro states that Browning didnt think the grip safety was necessary and that he thought the Hi-Power was a better design. he may have died in '26 and the design for the Hi-Power was finished in '35 but that doesnt mean that he didnt have the idea for it back when the 1911 was being developed. of course i cant prove he actually thought those things or had the design started or maybe just the idea at the time but that's what my source says Mr. Prime.
Permalink Reply by PRIME_Ω_PREDATOR on May 8, 2011 at 4:35pm

Browning developed plenty of firearms.

Google Colt Model 1908 Vest Pocket and the FN Model 1905. Both are Browning designs pre-1911.They were chambered for .25acp.

I'd bet that the US Army wanted some kind of integral grip safety. Otherwise the Hi Power may have been a 45 ACP. So you are probably right.

Permalink Reply by James McDonald on May 8, 2011 at 5:43pm
I have never had a issue with the grip safety on my Kimber, but I know a lot of shooters really dont care for them. Personally I like have some sort of safety on my pistol. I have a friend who carrys a Taurus revolver, that he accidentally discharged one night when a bunch of us were camping. Fortunately, we were out in the everglades and no one was around for miles, but Ive heard stories of it happening in other more populated areas. I think the trigger safetys are fairly safe as well. My issue with some safteys is being that Im left eye dominate I shoot left handed, it makes some pistols cumbersome carry and fire. I always by the ambidextrous, or convert them if possible.
Permalink Reply by PRIME_Ω_PREDATOR on May 8, 2011 at 6:05pm
I can take or leave a safety. I've been carrying a Glock of one kind or another for 19 years and have had absolutely no issues with them. My work gun is a Glock. That is by the choice of my employer. My choice in hamdguns is the 1911.
Permalink Reply by James McDonald on May 8, 2011 at 9:12pm
I like trigger safetys so glocks are fine with me. My EDC is a trigger safety.
Permalink Reply by Daniel on January 25, 2011 at 10:12am

I'd prefer to give a shotgun to one of the less accurate members of my group.  If they can't hit em with a rifle or a pistol, maybe a shotgun is what they need to survive and be useful.

 

Also I love the dual loads of that shotgun. Interesting to see, just curious of how reliable it is.

Permalink Reply by Alberto Fernández on January 25, 2011 at 1:10pm
I think primal weapons should always be machetes.... but is good to carry a shot gun or any firearm just in case you get to many comming at you.
Permalink Reply by James McDonald on January 28, 2011 at 10:16pm

A machette? Really? There are a lot of you guys out there who have watched far too many zombie flicks.

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