Zombie's: Do they bleed?
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Permalink Reply by Dundalk on -
Humm... Well... dead blood coagulates... the zombie virus is suposed to bypass? doesn't need organs, blood flow, or whatever else... I'm thinking no... they don't bleed. the virus (organism) acts as a hard connection for the electrical? signals to make the muscles move... instead of the 'fluid' connection of the human blood stream. I dunno.... I make this stuff up... next theory?
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Permalink Reply by James McDonald on -
I have theory about zombies. I believe that they would be more like the zombies from 28 days later. Their not going to be dead, rotting, decomposing pieces of flesh. Their going to to be infected, made people. They maybe brain dead, or unable to be cured. They wont be dead though.
Medically speaking a body can not move without blood flow. The body absolutely has to have blood flow in order to move. I dont want to get into the long version of it, but in order to move the oxygen needs blood. More essientially the muscle groups need oxygen in order to push lactic acid out of the muscle groups. It is essiential for movement.
I dont believe head shots will be something you have to worry about, if the body moves center mass shots will do just fine. Take out the heart, take out the zombie.
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Permalink Reply by Claire on -
Yeah,i think the the website you're looking for is Lost.com : ) I jest i jest
While i agree with your medically based opinion, this would apply only to runners, those who have truned "prior" to death. They maintain their normal bodily abilities meaning if they could run fast before turning then you don't wanna bump in to this one...
I would theorise that runners could die twice, as a runner a shot to the heart could cause them bleed to death, they would "die" however the brain is still infected and they would eventaully reanimate as a shambler once the circitry reconnected it's signals via the now coagulated blood.
In fact what you say about the muscles needing oxygenated blood in order to push out the lactic acid build up would help to explain why shamblers walk the way they do, jerky and stiff, their whole body is in one big cramp but due to their inability to feel pain, the electrical impulses sent through the coagulated blood from the brain stem would continue to cause the ligaments and tendons to move the joints and keep them walking...
So in conclusion, Runners could potentially bleed out, die then reannimate becoming a shamble, while a shambler would not bleed because their blood is coagulated.
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Permalink Reply by James McDonald on
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Medically speakng it doesnt work like that. I do love friendly debates though so lets see what happens.
Muscles can not "Will" themselves to move. There is one other purpose for blood that I forgot to mention in the previous post. Blood also drives all the muscle contractions, and expansions that result in movement. Without it, a body will not move. It just won't do it.
Getting back to the lactic acid retention in muscle groups. Without blood and oxygen to push that acid out of the muscle it will continue to build until it starts to break down the muscle itself. It doesnt take days, months, or years to break down the muscle. It literally takes minutes. The body goes into a acidotic state, muscles cramp and seize, muscle fiber breaks down...end of the zombie.
Trust me I like the fantasy idea of zombies being dead, and rising from their grave. It makes for great horror movies, and books. It just wouldnt happen like that. It wouldnt have to be blood, but a fluid that can carry oxygen. At this time there is only two options for artificial blood that carrys oxygen. Their both in military use right now, and there super expensive. Either way, if that was replace for blood, you would still be able to stop a zed with center mass shots.
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Permalink Reply by 3i3638ulfks6u on -
i would still like to bring up my theory of nano technology. im a firm believe that only the use of nano-machines will bring about undead zombies. after reading your posts in that last thread i reworked my theory. i believe that in one point in the future nano-machines will become so small they will be the size of cells. someone will use them to try and bring someone back to life by replacing dead brain cells. forming new neural network through out the brain reviving it to some extent. then to move the body they will spread out through the body and bond with muscle groups forming new muscles that are in essence half machine. not a large half but enough to contract and move the muscles. basically these nano machines would be using the body as a vessel controlling it from the inside with out actually using using any of its functions. basically its using the body as a puppet in order to move around. you ever see that movie splinter, remove the parasitic mold in that movie with nano-machines and there you have undead cybernetic zombie that don't need beating hearts.
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Permalink Reply by Claire on
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I totally understand the medical side of this, i choose to ignore it as i prefer to sustain the fantasy of a zpoc eventuality in whatever form it comes...
however for the purposes of debate lol... the information supplied thus far is based on biology as we know it... using a mix of boogie mans theory minus the technology side of things, it is plausible that the parasitic virus itself could spread it's own cells into the muscle fibers through the bloodstream just before death perhaps even after death by other means.. The cells of the virus could potentially reside within the tissue and not only in the cortex. If this were the case, then the viral cells themselves would provide their own drainage system...
IN FACT to probe the possibilities further could the viral cells not also use the lactic acid as fule so to speak, in order to produce the energy required to create the electrical impulses that would then cause the muscles to to move.
If the cells could use a variety of fluids as a resource this could also explain why the rate of decomposition is reduced, the viral cells could potentially also absorb the acids in the gut and the gut flora itself as food, which would slow the internal decomposition.
Remembering that the campion virus is a biological weapon it could have been created to cover several pitfalls, including for example, antifreeze... some insects are able to deforst themselves and reanimate, no reason why the biological weapons folk couldn't have figured out how to include that advantage into the viral cells...
This all leads to more and more possibilities such a mutations... Enter resident evil theories LMAO...
The cells could
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Permalink Reply by Zo on -
Well, it depends on wether or not the zombie is a runner. The first thing that happens when you die is that your heart stops pumping, so a normal zombie would not bleed. A runner would, however, since they are, in the loosest sense of the word, alive. So if you were to cut a runner, it would probabley bleed. A normal zombie would just have its blood spill out. So whatever you do, don't get the blood in a cut or in your mouth! the virus is in the blood, that is how it spreads.
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